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		<title>By: apathy_is_bliss</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>apathy_is_bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled upon this blog site today, and after reading a few of them, this one compelled to respond.  

This blog resonated very strongly within me, because I have had a nearly identical thought process.

I had a pretty good entry-level IT position for a year with a lot of responsibility that was good experience, and I walked away from it because I couldn&#039;t stand the grind.

Here&#039;s what I learned: In the real world, there is no such thing as a &quot;9 to 5&quot;.  It&#039;s more like a 6:30 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. kind of thing, and you only get paid for the &quot;9 to 5&quot;  When you add in the prep time and travel time, work ends up dominating a large part of your existence.

Revelation: The average person is awake 16-18 hours a day, and in a &quot;professional&quot; career, you work 10-14 hrs a day.  Assuming you have no errands, chores, family, etc., you get 2-6 hrs of free time per night, and then the carrot, weekends.  This is a huge difference from what we are used to as kids or even college students, and suddenly we&#039;re nailed down to one routine for much longer than we&#039;ve really done anything else.  All the variety and freedom is gone.

The &quot;shock&quot; factor is being felt by a lot of our generation, and the word &quot;passion&quot; keeps popping up when we discuss work.

Humanity has gone through phases where there is a dominant belief system, and we are in the third phase.  The first phase was religion, the second nationalism, and now the third, is capitalism.  Our icons?  The dollar and materialism.  I believe there is a serious lack of love in the world behind the motivations of most people.  They&#039;ve turned us against each other and we live in concrete jungles where none of us wants to get to know each other.

You and I agree on the truth about reality, it sucks.  We had no choice in this bullshit machine and only realized what all our grooming was for when it was over.  We want to reject it, but society does not provide an alternative context, so we&#039;re left confused, frustrated, disappointed...

My challenge to you: how would the world be if you could change the carrot and the stick?  

My ideal fourth phase in humanity:  the belief system changes to humanism, our icon is one another and all our motivations are driven by love, not profit.  

You may say that I&#039;m a dreamer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon this blog site today, and after reading a few of them, this one compelled to respond.  </p>
<p>This blog resonated very strongly within me, because I have had a nearly identical thought process.</p>
<p>I had a pretty good entry-level IT position for a year with a lot of responsibility that was good experience, and I walked away from it because I couldn&#8217;t stand the grind.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I learned: In the real world, there is no such thing as a &#8220;9 to 5&#8243;.  It&#8217;s more like a 6:30 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. kind of thing, and you only get paid for the &#8220;9 to 5&#8243;  When you add in the prep time and travel time, work ends up dominating a large part of your existence.</p>
<p>Revelation: The average person is awake 16-18 hours a day, and in a &#8220;professional&#8221; career, you work 10-14 hrs a day.  Assuming you have no errands, chores, family, etc., you get 2-6 hrs of free time per night, and then the carrot, weekends.  This is a huge difference from what we are used to as kids or even college students, and suddenly we&#8217;re nailed down to one routine for much longer than we&#8217;ve really done anything else.  All the variety and freedom is gone.</p>
<p>The &#8220;shock&#8221; factor is being felt by a lot of our generation, and the word &#8220;passion&#8221; keeps popping up when we discuss work.</p>
<p>Humanity has gone through phases where there is a dominant belief system, and we are in the third phase.  The first phase was religion, the second nationalism, and now the third, is capitalism.  Our icons?  The dollar and materialism.  I believe there is a serious lack of love in the world behind the motivations of most people.  They&#8217;ve turned us against each other and we live in concrete jungles where none of us wants to get to know each other.</p>
<p>You and I agree on the truth about reality, it sucks.  We had no choice in this bullshit machine and only realized what all our grooming was for when it was over.  We want to reject it, but society does not provide an alternative context, so we&#8217;re left confused, frustrated, disappointed&#8230;</p>
<p>My challenge to you: how would the world be if you could change the carrot and the stick?  </p>
<p>My ideal fourth phase in humanity:  the belief system changes to humanism, our icon is one another and all our motivations are driven by love, not profit.  </p>
<p>You may say that I&#8217;m a dreamer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Jones</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. and death is the best part of life...think about it all these dumb two legged apes(hummans ) have never been able to get along...peace is just the period of time in between wars...people are best at destroying things that&#039;s why we have such a thing called ghettos and impoverished areas and I&#039;m not attacking anyone race when I say this...because there aare all kinds of people living in squalor and sin...and I never had a prob with black folk because I knew growing up down south that I was a slave just like they are but a different color...that actually helped us bond when others of my own white race were racist and doing some stupid ignorant s... So I hope my death will be a glorious one and I can die with a BIG smile on my face and If someone shoots my a.. I will have to thank them before I die for &quot;releasing me from the misery of this world...and hope God doesn&#039;t punish  me by reincarnating my cursed soul and sending me back to this hellpit again...AMEN holy Jesus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. and death is the best part of life&#8230;think about it all these dumb two legged apes(hummans ) have never been able to get along&#8230;peace is just the period of time in between wars&#8230;people are best at destroying things that&#8217;s why we have such a thing called ghettos and impoverished areas and I&#8217;m not attacking anyone race when I say this&#8230;because there aare all kinds of people living in squalor and sin&#8230;and I never had a prob with black folk because I knew growing up down south that I was a slave just like they are but a different color&#8230;that actually helped us bond when others of my own white race were racist and doing some stupid ignorant s&#8230; So I hope my death will be a glorious one and I can die with a BIG smile on my face and If someone shoots my a.. I will have to thank them before I die for &#8220;releasing me from the misery of this world&#8230;and hope God doesn&#8217;t punish  me by reincarnating my cursed soul and sending me back to this hellpit again&#8230;AMEN holy Jesus</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Jones</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything you said...for those of us who are smart enough to rub 2 working brain cells together...we will realize eventually that we are all just a bunch of slaves in this pisspot world...The repetitive monotony...maybe one day....we&#039;ll have the money to do whatever...but in the meantime we&#039;ll slave away at our lousy little job...whether you believe in God or not love him/her or hate him/her we are all his slaves...he told me that the other day ...the only purpose in life is to chase the dirty dollar...think about how many crack-whores dancing hookers(strippers) bums and other various filthy animals have touched that very same dollar you use to do some coke...enjoy it...then our other slavemaster, the Gov&#039;t will tax our souls some more...whether it is Rep or Dem doesn&#039;t really matter...cuz we&#039;re still their slaves...and they do ingrain in us the 8 hour day from early on because that is the schedule we must soon abide by...Hey at least we&#039;re not all living in China...they have facctories where the slaves(workers) must live there as well and are stationed in dorms for this purpose...I always hated the Jews because they have all the money but even they are slaves and just don&#039;t realize it...they&#039;re prob buzzed from all that coke they&#039;re on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you said&#8230;for those of us who are smart enough to rub 2 working brain cells together&#8230;we will realize eventually that we are all just a bunch of slaves in this pisspot world&#8230;The repetitive monotony&#8230;maybe one day&#8230;.we&#8217;ll have the money to do whatever&#8230;but in the meantime we&#8217;ll slave away at our lousy little job&#8230;whether you believe in God or not love him/her or hate him/her we are all his slaves&#8230;he told me that the other day &#8230;the only purpose in life is to chase the dirty dollar&#8230;think about how many crack-whores dancing hookers(strippers) bums and other various filthy animals have touched that very same dollar you use to do some coke&#8230;enjoy it&#8230;then our other slavemaster, the Gov&#8217;t will tax our souls some more&#8230;whether it is Rep or Dem doesn&#8217;t really matter&#8230;cuz we&#8217;re still their slaves&#8230;and they do ingrain in us the 8 hour day from early on because that is the schedule we must soon abide by&#8230;Hey at least we&#8217;re not all living in China&#8230;they have facctories where the slaves(workers) must live there as well and are stationed in dorms for this purpose&#8230;I always hated the Jews because they have all the money but even they are slaves and just don&#8217;t realize it&#8230;they&#8217;re prob buzzed from all that coke they&#8217;re on</p>
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		<title>By: The American Dream &#124; The Brain of WerkkreW</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>The American Dream &#124; The Brain of WerkkreW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in line with my last post, I have been feeling quite dissatisfied lately.  I wonder what life is supposed to be, and why I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in line with my last post, I have been feeling quite dissatisfied lately.  I wonder what life is supposed to be, and why I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: werkkrew</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>werkkrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and I am living it.

I really wish I could break out of the mundane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and I am living it.</p>
<p>I really wish I could break out of the mundane.</p>
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		<title>By: Thame</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Thame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the traditional “job” or “daily grind” is what I am referring to. When I seek purpose, or feel productive, it is most usually not when I am work, I feel 100% more fulfilled and productive each time I make a blog post here then I do after a long day of work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;ve hit one of my worst fears right on the head, and what&#039;s most depressing is that it&#039;s almost a certainty that I will actually end up in a routine and daily grind. Granted, I&#039;ve been given opportunities that might make my grind more tolerable than soul-killing 9-to-5&#039;s, but I wonder what I would actually do with my life if I didn&#039;t have to fit right into the sequence of &quot;Birth, Infancy, School, More School, Work, Retirement, Death&quot; you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think the traditional “job” or “daily grind” is what I am referring to. When I seek purpose, or feel productive, it is most usually not when I am work, I feel 100% more fulfilled and productive each time I make a blog post here then I do after a long day of work.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;ve hit one of my worst fears right on the head, and what&#8217;s most depressing is that it&#8217;s almost a certainty that I will actually end up in a routine and daily grind. Granted, I&#8217;ve been given opportunities that might make my grind more tolerable than soul-killing 9-to-5&#8242;s, but I wonder what I would actually do with my life if I didn&#8217;t have to fit right into the sequence of &#8220;Birth, Infancy, School, More School, Work, Retirement, Death&#8221; you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue that you can raise them &quot;properly&quot; in near poverty. With all of the shiny flashy things, and still have them be a good, productive person. (although, I&#039;d hate my kids to turn out to be cogs, who wouldn&#039;t?)

I agree with you on the non-traditional job/self employment front, though. I work a minimum-wage job with no benefits that I would *love* if it had a boost in either, but I&#039;d love to do something--off the grid. Build a nerd commune. I dunno. I don&#039;t think they worked very well for a reason, and without the nose-to-the-grindstone mass-production thing, that&#039;s pretty much what you&#039;re left with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue that you can raise them &#8220;properly&#8221; in near poverty. With all of the shiny flashy things, and still have them be a good, productive person. (although, I&#8217;d hate my kids to turn out to be cogs, who wouldn&#8217;t?)</p>
<p>I agree with you on the non-traditional job/self employment front, though. I work a minimum-wage job with no benefits that I would *love* if it had a boost in either, but I&#8217;d love to do something&#8211;off the grid. Build a nerd commune. I dunno. I don&#8217;t think they worked very well for a reason, and without the nose-to-the-grindstone mass-production thing, that&#8217;s pretty much what you&#8217;re left with.</p>
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		<title>By: werkkrew</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>werkkrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well obviously not everyone &quot;hates&quot; their jobs, I don&#039;t even hate my job.  The fact is though, given a choice to go to work vs. something else, you&#039;ll usually choose not to go to work.

Being productive and having purpose is definitely one of the main driving forces behind everyone, myself included.  I love feeling productive and I hate feeling useless.  Thing is, I do not usually feel entirely productive at work, even when I am getting a lot of work done, mostly because I never see any benefit from my work output.  I never see anything extra for the days I work extra hard.

I think the traditional &quot;job&quot; or &quot;daily grind&quot; is what I am referring to.  When I seek purpose, or feel productive, it is most usually not when I am work, I feel 100% more fulfilled and productive each time I make a blog post here then I do after a long day of work.

I think my overall point was - I wish there was a better way to get by, have the money I need, and not have to go to a traditional job.  It all rolls back into my desire to be self employed.  

I do not wish to have the ability to NOT work, I wish to have the ability to set my own schedule, and live my life the way I want to live it, and not by the traditional 9-5 schedule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well obviously not everyone &#8220;hates&#8221; their jobs, I don&#8217;t even hate my job.  The fact is though, given a choice to go to work vs. something else, you&#8217;ll usually choose not to go to work.</p>
<p>Being productive and having purpose is definitely one of the main driving forces behind everyone, myself included.  I love feeling productive and I hate feeling useless.  Thing is, I do not usually feel entirely productive at work, even when I am getting a lot of work done, mostly because I never see any benefit from my work output.  I never see anything extra for the days I work extra hard.</p>
<p>I think the traditional &#8220;job&#8221; or &#8220;daily grind&#8221; is what I am referring to.  When I seek purpose, or feel productive, it is most usually not when I am work, I feel 100% more fulfilled and productive each time I make a blog post here then I do after a long day of work.</p>
<p>I think my overall point was &#8211; I wish there was a better way to get by, have the money I need, and not have to go to a traditional job.  It all rolls back into my desire to be self employed.  </p>
<p>I do not wish to have the ability to NOT work, I wish to have the ability to set my own schedule, and live my life the way I want to live it, and not by the traditional 9-5 schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Gerber</title>
		<link>http://werkkrew.com/2008/10/15/life-sucks-then-you-die/comment-page-1/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the notion that everyone hates their job.  Perhaps all humans are meant to be, are working machines.  Maybe that&#039;s why we derive purpose and satisfaction.  Or maybe its the way around and the way we were nurtured feeds our ego when we get something productive accomplished or fuels our guilt when we don&#039;t.  Either way, we all have to find our own purpose and since, as you said, work is a fact of life.  One can either make work his entire purpose or incorporate it into the whole.  

With any existential argument you can run yourself in circles until you realize, &quot;Oh shit, its time for work.&quot; Or you can simply decide that pondering about it is useless and depressing.  That&#039;s the conclusion I came away with from my existential phase anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the notion that everyone hates their job.  Perhaps all humans are meant to be, are working machines.  Maybe that&#8217;s why we derive purpose and satisfaction.  Or maybe its the way around and the way we were nurtured feeds our ego when we get something productive accomplished or fuels our guilt when we don&#8217;t.  Either way, we all have to find our own purpose and since, as you said, work is a fact of life.  One can either make work his entire purpose or incorporate it into the whole.  </p>
<p>With any existential argument you can run yourself in circles until you realize, &#8220;Oh shit, its time for work.&#8221; Or you can simply decide that pondering about it is useless and depressing.  That&#8217;s the conclusion I came away with from my existential phase anyway.</p>
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